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Health & Wellness

The Danger of Meat-Heavy Diets

By Kathy Freston, AlterNet. Posted July 29, 2008.


The Atkins, eat-lots-of-meat diet is about as unhealthy as they come. But you'd never know it from media coverage.
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You may have seen recent news articles claiming that a study out of Israel found that the Atkins diet is more effective for losing weight and improving cholesterol levels than a low-fat diet. Unfortunately, the headlines completely misrepresented the study. First, the "low-fat" diet that was compared to the high-protein one in this study was a full 30 percent fat, which is not low-fat as the phrase is used by any of the top nutritionists and scientists who are effectively using low-fat diets to help people lose weight, keep it off and improve their health. Second, the study organizers encourage people to eat vegetarian protein sources, not the animal products encouraged by Atkins and South Beach. I don't know about you, but it seems amiss to me for the media to portray this as a pro-Atkins study, since most of us consider Atkins to be meat-based. Shouldn't the media help us to better understand the science? (By the way, the foundation of the guy who originated the Atkins Diet provided most of the funding for the study. That's always a red flag for possibly biased science.)

Best-selling health writer and nutrition guru Dr. Dean Ornish wrote a good explanation for Newsweek on why the reporting on this study was really quite misleading; he does his usual excellent job of explaining what's so, as he did in the foreword to his brilliant best-seller, Eat More, Weigh Less.

I am reminded of the fact that it's been three years since Atkins Nutritionals filed for bankruptcy. And if your local grocery market is like mine, those once-omnipresent packaged foods with the "no-carb" labels are now harder and harder to find -- with good reason, it seems to me.

While the South Beach Diet books and foods haven't gone away, probably because it gets some things right (i.e., it recommends less meat and cutting out simple carbohydrates -- both excellent pieces of advice), its popularity should wane as the scientific consensus grows that if you want to maintain a healthy weight and fight off disease, the best diet is a truly low-fat diet (more like 10 to 15 percent of calories from fat) based almost exclusively on whole grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables. The South Beach diet is certainly a big improvement on the standard American diet (rightly called SAD), but it's a half-measure, as Ornish and others are teaching us. Indeed, if food industry statistics, celebrity interest and the success of books like Skinny Bitch and (OK, here's a little self-promotion!) my own Quantum Wellness: A Practical and Spiritual Guide to Health and Happiness are any indication, there's a growing shift toward healthy, plant-based diets, especially among people looking to lose weight and keep it off.

All of this is music to the ears of independent, qualified nutrition experts, who object to the "low-carb" diets. I'm not going to overload you with a tome of scientific evidence about why low-carb diets are bad for us. If you are looking for more in-depth information on the topic, I highly recommend checking out http://www.atkinsdietalert.org. Run by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, the Web site documents the health consequences of diets high in animal flesh, eggs and dairy, and lists the long history of grave concerns raised by medical experts, including an American Dietetic Association spokesperson calling Atkins "a nightmare diet." The experts' concerns are really basic common sense if you ask me, but sometimes common sense gets swept away by a combination of wishful thinking and impressive marketing. Basically, every reputable health agency knows that a mountain of evidence indicates that the saturated fat and cholesterol in animal flesh, eggs and milk clogs your arteries and increases your risk of heart disease, among an array of other problems.


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Very nicely done--absolutely right.
Posted by: TwinsFanatic on Jul 29, 2008 12:33 AM   
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The base of this argument, it seems to me, is that humans are not naturally designed to eat animal products, as very well argued by Dr. Milton Mills in his essay, "A Comparative Anatonmy of Eating."

This is a pretty good link on the issue, which includes a link to the Mills essay.

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Newsweek: The Never-Ending Diet Wars, by Dr. Dean Ornish, pt 1
Posted by: TwinsFanatic on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 AM   
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/146641

The Never-Ending Diet Wars
by Dr. Dean Ornish


A new study reports that the Atkins diet can be just as healthy as a low-fat diet. But don't start buying bacon yet. This research has some serious flaws.

A new study comparing the Atkins diet, a Mediterranean diet and a low-fat diet published on July 17 inThe New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), is likely to inspire headlines saying that the Atkins diet is better for your waistline and your health than a low-fat diet.

However, as a lead investigator on numerous peer-reviewed studies of low-fat diets, and the author of several books about the benefits of healthy low-fat lifestyles, I believe this study is extremely flawed. Here's why:

The NEJM study, which was funded in part by the Atkins Foundation, reported that participants who ate a low-carb (Atkins) or Mediterranean diet (restricted calorie, moderate fat intake) for two years lost more weight, and saw more of an improvement in their glucose and cholesterol levels, than those who were on a low-fat, restricted calorie diet. However, participants in the study who were on the "low-fat" diet decreased their total fat intake from 31.4 percent to 30.0 percent, hardly at all.

I'm also very skeptical of the quality of data in this study. For example, the investigators reported that those on the "low-fat" diet consumed 200 fewer calories per day—or 10,000 fewer calories per year—than those on the Mediterranean diet, yet people lost more weight on the Mediterranean diet. That's physiologically impossible.

In addition, in the "Atkins diet" that was tested, "the participants were counseled to choose vegetarian sources of fat and protein and to avoid trans fat." A vegetarian Atkins diet? Most people associate an Atkins diet with bacon, butter and brie, not a plant-based diet like the one I recommend.

Then there's the question of what constitutes a "low-fat" diet. The one used in the NEJM study was not very low in fat. It was based on the American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines, which I have long criticized as not being enough of a change in diet to show much benefit. In earlier studies, as in this one, the AHA diet did not cause much of a reduction in either blood cholesterol levels, weight or blood sugar, so it's not surprising that the new NEJM study reported that the Atkins and Mediterranean diets were more successful at reducing these levels. In the Womens Health Initiative study, the AHA diet didn't do much to prevent heart disease, colon cancer or breast cancer, either.

My colleagues and I at the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute and the University of California, San Francisco, have studied for more than three decades the effects of diets much lower in fat (10 percent) than the one used in NEJM study as well as lower in refined carbohydrates and higher in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes and soy products.

We reported in a randomized, controlled clinical trial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association a 24-pound weight loss after one year and 13-pound average weight loss after five years in a group of men and women, much more than the 9.7 to 10.3 pounds lost in the new NEJM study. These findings were replicated in larger demonstration projects as well.

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» pt 3 Posted by: TwinsFanatic
The problem
Posted by: Martin32 on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 AM   
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And of course we shouldn't think that our healthy new diet means giving up tasty food

You keep kidding yourself, I'll keep eating food that tastes nice! Seriously, I do understand that there are valid health and environmental reasons for eating less or no meat. I do my best to ensure that the meat (and fish) I buy is ethically sourced, sustainable and carrying a low-carbon footprint. I try to eat a much more rounded diet than I used to, including fruit, vegetables, grains etc etc. But, PLEASE, stop lying to me and telling me that the healthy option is also the tastiest one because, if that were true this debate would be over and the world (at least that portion of it rich enough to choose) would be vegan. The fact is that taste is subjective and that, to me, almost every meat tastes nicer than almost anything else. I'm sure that I speak for others as well. I'm not saying that I make every decision based purely on my own pleasure, but it does count for something. And, it's not a matter of familiarization either. I used to eat a Mars bar everyday. Six months ago, I replaced it with an apple, or other item of fruit. But, you know what? The Mars bar still tastes nicer than the fruit!

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Not all dairy products or vegetables are equal
Posted by: Krusty Geezer on Jul 29, 2008 3:56 AM   
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I don't necessarily disagree with the above article, but there is one factor that just isn't mentioned. The surprising differences that occur in comparisons of like products, organic contra non-organically produced. For example, dairy products are singled out as sinners, and this is just not true. Recent studies (I'm afraid that I don't have a link)have shown that extremely low fat milk (typically under 0.1% fat) leaches cholesterol from the body, whilst giving a good dose of vitamins A,D, proteins and calcium. More surprising is that organically produced milk has a very positive effect on the immune system. Intensive farming methods where the cows typically never come out of the dairy/stable, produces milk minus this and other good qualities.
I would also be very skeptical about figures such as the skinless chicken/bladder cancer ones touted in the article. Where was this study done? Were these organically or intensively farmed chickens? Were they the feathered hormone bombs you find anywhere in the Americas (North, South, Middle). Similarly, if any study was done using beef from America, one has to look at it from the point of view of is it the meat or the growth hormones the cow's been pumped with that are producing the worrying side effects? There is a reason why most American meat isn't allowed in the EU. There are so many more chemicals and hormones allowed in American farming industry, and the US is still living in denial regarding 'Mad Cow' disease.

Don't get me wrong, a predominantly meat based diet isn't healthy. For example there's a whole raft of digestive tract cancers linked to heavy consumption of red meats. But the picture has certain nuances that seem to be ignored in articles such as this one; and organic production contra 'normal' production is a big factor. Just take a look at fish. No-one denies that fish is good for you, but look at the fat in a lazy and overfed (and look at the feed!) farmed salmon compared to a line caught, wild one. And no, it isn't just more of 'the good' fats!
Nor are vegetables the answer if they're covered in the one chemical after the other.
Look at cigarettes, not healthy I know, but the general consensus is that the majority of the carcinogens contained therein, aren't in the tobacco itsself, but all the additives the tobacco companies put in to 'improve' the overall smoking experience. (Read: to make it burn quicker, and make the hit more intense and immediate, thereby increasing the chances of being hooked)

So yes, articles like the above are fine on a very superficial level, but they're not really addressing the problem. It's not necessarily what food we're eating; it's how it's produced, the amount we're eating, and what's surreptitiously coming into our bodies via our food.

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May be true for some people
Posted by: jnelson4765 on Jul 29, 2008 4:10 AM   
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I don't eat a lot of meat. But I find that if I don't eat any, I lose a fair bit of energy. It was far worse working as a mechanic - I literally couldn't do a vegetarian diet for more than a few days without fatigue setting in. And that's with following all the balanced diet / vitamin & mineral supplement recommendations I've known about from a young age.

Look, chimpanzees eat meat. Our closest relative in the natural world. Not a lot of it, but they do. Is the American diet unhealthy? Definitely. Is meat a health risk? In excess, yes. Should it be eaten with respect, and not that often? Yes.

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» Moderation Posted by: kepstein7777
Spot on
Posted by: Martin32 on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 AM   
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Farming methods, feed of livestock, these things are absolutely central to this debate. At least 80% of the meat I buy is organically farmed, wher I used to buy cheap frozen garbage. It has made a massive difference to both my health and pleasure, not to mention being good for the environment around the farms in question.

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» Grass fed beef Posted by: sarajeanne
Koolaid fatigue
Posted by: ankhet on Jul 29, 2008 4:15 AM   
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Freston seems to be just another vegan-missionary. Agreed, there is probably too much meat in the SAD, and too much fat, especially in fast food, bagged snacks and pre-cooked meal packs. Surely the quality of those foods also affects health.

However, monkeys and apes do eat meat - whenever they can scavenge or cannibalize. Even purely vegetarian animals eat animal protein - cows do not clean the bugs off their grass before they eat it. Many herbivores enjoy the occasional meal of meat, if it's not too hard to fetch or if food-supply problems make it necessary.

Human beings have carnivore kidneys, and some anthropologists believe that it's thanks to the consumption of meat, a very concentrated source of nutrition, that the human race advanced so far. Hard to prove, of course, but the coarse veg diets of early humans would have taken a lot of time out of their day that they could have spent painting caves.

Yes, we're overdoing the meat consumption, but the quality of the meat (and other foods) we consume is also dropping, leaving us less satisfied and craving more. A win-win for agribiz.

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people
Posted by: argyle on Jul 29, 2008 5:06 AM   
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are designed to eat both meat and fruits/vegetables. A diet which focuses exclusively on one or the other is unhealthy. Simple.

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Agreed, animal protein does no body good
Posted by: ECtek on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 AM   
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For centuries people have been eating a vegetarian diet for better health. The obsticle that has stifled this trend is that people just like the taste and sensation of eating meat. But never before in human history has there been such an easily available, wide selection of meat-free food that has the taste and sensation of meat.

It is only natural that vegetarianism will continue to increase since it not only is healthier, but it is a far more sustainable diet for the earth's capacity and of course it is more humane, especially when you consider the industrialized farming techniques (which place production and profit over humane treatment) that became the norm in recent decades.

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Plenty missing information here
Posted by: s.duplantier on Jul 29, 2008 5:23 AM   
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There is way too much information missing in this article.

You can be suspicious about that when you see a citing of Dean Ornish.

Read some unbiased information about fats, meat, and diet from the Weston A. Price Foundations's website

http://westonaprice.org/

Read especially the work of Dr. Mary Enig and Sally Fallon.

It is simply NOT the case that low fat is good and high fat is bad.

Did you know, for example, the following:

"The following nutrient-rich traditional fats have nourished healthy population groups for thousands of years:

* Butter
* Beef and lamb tallow
* Lard
* Chicken, goose and duck fat
* Coconut, palm and sesame oils
* Cold pressed olive oil
* Cold pressed flax oil
* Marine oils"

"The following new-fangled fats can cause cancer, heart disease, immune system dysfunction, sterility, learning disabilities, growth problems and osteoporosis:

* All hydrogenated oils
* Soy, corn and safflower oils
* Cottonseed oil
* Canola oil
* All fats heated to very high temperatures in processing and frying"

Do yourself a favor and get all the facts. Who would be surprised to find out that there is politics at the heart of what is presented as nutrition science and policy in the U.S.


Read the Oiling of America:

http://westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/oiling.html

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» Grass fed beef Posted by: sarajeanne
» RE: Grass fed beef Posted by: s.duplantier
» RE: Grass fed beef Posted by: maxpayne
Just another stab as veganism
Posted by: adocann1 on Jul 29, 2008 5:26 AM   
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I am a 48 year old African American female obstetrician-gynecologist in Chicago. PLEASE stop trying to push veganism on me. I eat meat love meat, and do not have hypertension, am not overweight, and have the cholesterol level of an 18 yr old. The trick is to stop eating processed foods. I eat real eggs, real bacon, real butter,real fresh vegetables, and a host of other things that should have apparently done me in by now. Peeople stop buying the hype. Eat the food god put here and not the processed, precooked, oversalted, chemically altered crap lining the supermarket shevles. I cringe every time I see a parent buy something like fruit rollups instead of a piece of natural fruit.

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Bad advice
Posted by: snowhound on Jul 29, 2008 5:39 AM   
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If your pregnant, try attempting a vegan diet. Your child will suffer because of it. Soy is extrememly unhealthy unless it's organic and fermented. Meeting protein requirements is a big problem on a vegan diet. But the most crucial problem is obtaining fat soluble vitamin A and D that is only obtained thru animal fats. The Vitamin A found in vegetables is not the same and must be converted by the body. Also, Vitamin B12 is not asorbed by the body unless it comes from animal protein. Naturally raised grass fed meats are full of essential well absorbed nutrients that the vegan diet can't deliver.

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» RE: Bad advice Posted by: Fredly
I had an increasingly common experience last week
Posted by: Beck on Jul 29, 2008 5:55 AM   
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A "vegetarian" mistakenly admitted to eating meat. I've known this woman for years, and mostly every meeting I see her at, she calls herself a vegetarian. When we were alone for a few minutes, she mentioned eating meat at an event a few days before. But when the rest of the group showed up, she went back to her usual, "I don't eat meat" script.

This is happening often enough that I'm starting to see that I've been duped. There are obviously plenty of people calling themselves vegetarians who do eat the pepperoni pizza and don't mind getting a hamburger at a concert. Calling yourself vegetarian is the thing to do.

Actually, my husband and I are vegetarians so far today. I was a vegetarian for, oh, about 99% of yesterday. I'll guess that I'll be a vegetarian for most of today, but not quite all. And that will make me as vegetarian as, I'm guessing, 2/3 of those calling themselves that. I suppose people mean to stick to it. And think that since so much of the time they are vegetarian, they get to not count the times they eat meat. So really, we all are!

Ich bin ein vegetarian. Until dinner. For that, we're having a steak from a grass-fed cow bought at the farmer's market, which we won't cook too much, having been warned about how lean it is. After that, though, I'll be one again.

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» Does having a single cigarette... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
The Mediterranean Diet, Moderation and Extra Virgin Olive Oil
Posted by: williameon on Jul 29, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Eliminate:
Hydrogenated Oil
Corn Syrup
Over refined white flour
These are Poison.
The cause of the Obesity, the Diabetes Epidemic, Hardening of the Arteries, Heart Attacks, Cancer and Colon disorders Americans are suffering from now.
Beef only in moderation.
It is loaded with hormones, fat and possibly M. Cow Disease.

ADD:
Cold Pressed Oils
FRESH Organic Fruits and Vegetables
Organic Grains,
Fresh Fish, Seafood,
Nuts,
and
Stone ground Flours.
Free range meats in moderation.
These are the building blocks of life.
This is what we have lived on for centuries.

Eliminate as much stress from your life as possible by shutting of the Faux Media.
Turn off the Indoctrination Set and turn on to Nature.
Everything springs from one source, Mother Nature.
Trust in her and her healing abilities.
Everything necessary for a healthy, happy, fulfilling and prosperous life is here now.
Take advantage of it!
Relax and enjoy it.
We all have ways to relax.
Find yours and cultivate it.
It is doorway into the present, beyond words and imagination.

Take a walk, play your favorite sport, play a game, read a relaxing book,
Meditate or Exercise.
Occupy your conscious mind with a steady stream of positive information till it naturally quiets itself and then get a glimpse of the real you that finally shines through.
Anytime we are having fun, it is a door way in to a very special World, where we enjoy and live in the moment.
I call it The Zone.

Peace, Brotherhood, Harmony, Cooperation, True Compassion and Patience.
These are the fruits of the spirit.
Eat of them often.
I’ll meet you on the other side in
The ZONE!

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The author forgot to mention LENTILS ! Stoooooopid !
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 29, 2008 6:47 AM   
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With lentils, you get all the protein you'd find in meat but unlike meat, it's all digestible and easily absorbed into the blood stream. Now who says you can't counter-market the meat forces? Take it from me. I used to be a meat eater but a few years after I got married, my wife slowly but steadily convinced me that the various lentils from the Far East were a hell of a lot better than meat. Plus my head recovered from shiny bald to thick and full hair.

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» Are you sure? Posted by: maxpayne
» Ok, but some clarifications. Posted by: maxpayne
I wonder how much Kathy Freston donates to Alternet
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jul 29, 2008 6:55 AM   
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Her qualifications as a nutritionist are shaky at best and lots of the regular posters in the saga are more insightful and better researched than her.

Vasmurti makes a more compelling argument for veganism than Kathy Freston. I wonder how many columns she would get if she donated truckloads of money to Alternet...

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organic low-fat, low-protein vegan diet is best -- also avoid aspartame and additives
Posted by: rmforall on Jul 29, 2008 7:04 AM   
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http://www.drmcdougall.com/ Dr. John McDougall, MD excellent website

http://www.drmcdougall.com/stars/jason_wyrick.html

Jason Wyrick, Cured Type-2 Diabetes -- No Cost

formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines, the first case series, Sharon E Jacob-Soo, Sarah A Stechschulte, UCSD, Dermatitis 2008 May: Rich Murray 2008.07.18
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.htm
Friday, July 18, 2008
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1553

Dermatitis. 2008 May-Jun; 19(3): E10-1.
Formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines: a possible connection.
Jacob SE, Stechschulte S.
Department of Dermatology and Cutaneous Surgery, University of Miami, Miami, FL, USA.

Aspartame is a widely used artificial sweetener that has been linked to pediatric and adolescent migraines.

Upon ingestion, aspartame is broken, converted, and oxidized into formaldehyde in various tissues.

We present the first case series of aspartame-associated migraines related to clinically relevant positive reactions to formaldehyde on
patch testing. PMID: 18627677

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Organic Sustainable meat is good for You
Posted by: ecoalex on Jul 29, 2008 7:26 AM   
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Grass Fed Beef, pastured pork, poultry, are healthy for you.Demand that meat is raised humanely, and consciously.Nutrient dense foods are the best, especially for people that physically work.The polluted meat produced by America's conventional feedlots, and confined animal operations pollute, and produce disease in those who eat it.Demand sustainable eco raised meats,it's that simple.

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» A Real Vegan Posted by: Tricia
Grain and sugar based diets are killing us
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 29, 2008 8:06 AM   
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The biggest health issue in the US right now is diabetes, or prediabetes, along with related problems of insulin resistance, triglyceride problems, obesity, hyper and hypo glycemia, high bp, and the rest of the symptoms of metabolic disease. I think it is becoming more obvious that these problems stem from overeating of grain products, sugar, and generally overprocessed foods based on corn, wheat, rice, and sugar.
Even whole grain foods and potatoes with the skin on will exacerbate these prediabetic conditions. We are seeing the problems even in teenagers.
While it is clear that some people can handle huge amounts of grain problems without the diabetic complications, probably because of an ancestry that had a long history of grain eating, most of our bodies have not adapted to this "new" diet. Remember that grains and potatoes have only been eaten for about 10,000 years, too short of a time for most populations to have evolved systems to digest and properly utilize all of it. Diabetes is unheard of in hunter gatherer groups who do not eat grains and potatoes and sugar.
The end of metabolic disease..........amputations, heart failure, stroke, morbid obesity, blindness........is horrible. Avoiding too much grain and potato and sugar is the best way for many of us to stay clear of these tragic complications.

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The un-rounded vegan diet
Posted by: PaulK on Jul 29, 2008 9:45 AM   
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And a well-rounded vegan diet will provide us with a healthy mixture of complex carbs, protein and healthy fats, as well as vitamins, minerals and fiber.

A majority of people don't have the discipline to handle a well-rounded vegan diet. People get sick. That's what stops vegan ideas cold.

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Evolution
Posted by: solrev on Jul 29, 2008 9:51 AM   
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We have been evolving for the last 2.5 million years as meat eaters. Grain was not even domesticated until 6000 years ago. The majority of the stone tools that the large brain Homo saps made were for processing meat. Meat only became unhealthy when we did not have to expend an equal amount of energy to get it. There in is the problem; health is based more on how you act rather than what you eat. Add to the reduced activity the increased intake in sugar, salt and a barrage of chemicals that I can not pronounce or spell, and you get a fat happy American. I wonder what evolution will do with fat happy Americans in the next few thousand years. So what if we do not live to be 100 years old, the Homo saps didn’t either. So eat what you want and do what you want, just be happy. Your pursuit of happiness is none of my business that’s what we have free markets for. Spare me your medical cost BS. If medical costs make you unhappy, then they should not be apart of the free market.

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What is best for pregnancy?
Posted by: EMB on Jul 29, 2008 9:56 AM   
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I recently lost my baby (Spina Bifida) due to most likely a lack of folic acid in my diet. I am slender and though not vegetarian, eat only whole foods and no junk/or fried food. I had been largely avoiding carbohydrates but am now eating whole grain bread and potatoes again. Any other suggestions?

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» RE: What is best for pregnancy? Posted by: dudelette
» RE: What is best for pregnancy? Posted by: dudelette
» RE: What is best for pregnancy? Posted by: AMerrickanGirl
» Cut the grains and potatoes! Posted by: SpiderWoman
Bogus
Posted by: jmooney on Jul 29, 2008 10:21 AM   
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We liberals just WANT to believe that eating meat is somehow bad or wrong. I believe it is neither. We are only about 100,000 years into the farming phase of our existence. Prior to that, which is most of history, by the way, we ate meat and plenty of it. That's what we evolved to do. And that's why we have so many people now coming down with problems with gluten and what not. ON a personal note, whenever I have adhered to a meat-heavy, Atkinsy diet, my check up numbers have been perfect. My doctor even said "fabulous," but when I have relapsed back onto carbs, my numbers always get out of wack.

We want to believe that eating animals is somehow illiberal, but eating them is just what we do. We might eventually evolve to where we can eat, without difficulty, veggie or starchy diets, but that's going to take a while. As for me, pass the bacon, please.

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» RE: Bogus Posted by: dlibby
» RE: Bogus Posted by: dlibby
Have you seen a picture of Dean Ornish?
Posted by: dudelette on Jul 29, 2008 10:22 AM   
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He's overweight (or his gut is the result of some nutritional lack), has lost most of his hair and his skin looks horrible.

No, thanks. I look ten years younger than I am, cholesterol is low, blood pressure low, great hair and skin, and I'm 50. I do find that buying organic, whether vegetables, fruit or meat, has made a huge difference in how I feel. I can't eat meat that isn't at least organic, preferably grass fed.

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Why are we even debating this?
Posted by: riffraff2001 on Jul 29, 2008 10:22 AM   
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There is absolutely no point to arguing about any of this! Meat-eaters are never going to change. Period. You can scream until you're blue in the face but it's just a fact that the meat-eating diet is never going to go away. There's a simple reason why. If you eat a healthier diet, then you might live, on average, about 5 more years than a meat-heavy diet. Big, freaking deal! 5 years?! My grandfather ate fried foods every day of his life and lived until he was 83 years old and when he was 82 he was still getting on his roof cleaning his own gutters. What I'm saying is that people are not going to change what they love for a few more years at the end. They'd rather be happy now. I know, I know... "But it's so unhealthy!!!!!!!" Not gonna happen. You're using up internet space and people's time on a debate that's never going to go anywhere. So just STOP ALREADY!!

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» gramps Posted by: YogiBear
If you want to go Vegan it is OK, but do not force me!
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist on Jul 29, 2008 10:59 AM   
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Personally I find the Vegan movement and its ideology despicable. Vegetarianism I have no problem with what so ever. If you believe it makes you feel good, eat vegetarian food.

However what I object is the condescending tone of the author. The largest problem in modern societies is today obesity. If it has now been concluded that the diet humans were originally evolved to, Paleolithic Diet or as it is known today Atkins/South Beach, we should be rejoicing that we now know how to curb the obesity epidemic.

Humans were originally hunter-gatherers. They lived on meat, fruits, berries, nuts, roots, and a limited supply of vegetables.

They were not vegetarians, that is for sure. They did not eat any carbohydrate rich foods such as grain, corn, rice etc. This is the staple food of todays vegetarians, not pre-historic man.

I have myself always eaten this way, I love meat, the rarer the better. I love fruits and nuts and I dislike bread, grain and rice.

I eat copiously but do not gain weight. If I stick to the Atkins diet, Paleolithic Diet I loose weight faster than lightning.

You may choose whatever diet you like but do not force your diet down my throat. I have found most Vegans I meet to be extremely fundamentalist, they call me a murderer, they think my morals are obnoxious and if they came into power they would forbid meat eating.

I think Vegans are loonies but best left alone. But loonies in power, especially fundamentalist ones can be very dangerous indeed. So their lunacies mus be exposed, kept under close scrutiny when they become violent, go for Direct Action. The violent fringes of PETA is an example of it.

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» You cannot move from a totalitarian society Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» Vegans are all absolutist Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
Not Quite On Target.
Posted by: Urgelt on Jul 29, 2008 12:30 PM   
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The author makes the same mistake many food scientists are making: attempting to create a narrative about optimal diets which applies to all fats indiscriminately.

All fats are not created equal:

- Animal fats can contain large amounts of hormones, drugs and toxins if produced using industrial agricultural methods. These are variables which dieting efficacy studies typically fail to take into account, and thus their findings are necessarily flawed.

- Temperate crop vegetable oils such as soy, canola, and corn contain a plethora of short-chain fatty acids with different health properties than tropical oils such as olive, coconut, sesame, and almond. These are also variables which dieting studies usually fail to control.

- The Omega-3 fatty acids DHA and EPA are of supreme importance to health, which is rarely considered in these diet studies.

- An overabudance of the Omega-6 fatty acids has negative health consequences arising from their inflammatory effects, but you won't find that out by reading these "all fats" diet studies.

- Hydrogenation of oils, a common industrial process, has been shown in studies to produce very negative health effects. This is another variable typically left uncontrolled in diet studies.

What is more, the evidence that "animal fats clog arteries" is very weak. There is no correlaton between cholesterol consumption and cholesterol blood levels - nor is there a correlation between cholesterol level in blood and atherosclerosis.

In fact, it's well understood that placque deposits in arteries do not form willy-nilly from precipitates of cholesterol. Placque is a repair mechanism for damaged arterial walls, and it forms only in places where arterial tissue damage has produced leakage. The logical question to ask - and one which science has not yet answered, though there are theories - is, what is causing the damage?

Until both science and nutritionists come to grips with the salient fact that all fats are not interchangeable, any narrative attempting to conclude "more fats are bad" or "more fats are good" is fatally flawed. Neither is nutritional advice useful to consumers.

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